Michael Sullivan: "the death" that came through Adam STILL remains

If AD70 is removed as the line of total consummation, then you are teaching a form of pret-idealism. It would be in the vein of John Noe's pret-idealism - which is weighted more heavily on the preterist part - than others, which are more weighted on the idealism part. The point being that Mike is not teaching that the death was defeated in ad70 for everyone. But that the death is defeated "IN CHRIST". This is a huge concession to the hyper-preterist position.

And the dire situation that full preterist armchair theologians find themselves in is acknowledged by Mike

"I suspect Dallas (and Kelley Birks?) are asking these questions on justification so as to try and push me, Dave, and Ed H. into promoting universalism because of our corporate body position"

So here we have yet another attempt at an inconsistent preterism, for the primary purpose of avoiding the plain connection between consistent preterism and universalism.

However, all of the work and effort to save full/hyper preterism is in vain.


"A clever man solves a problem. A wise man avoids it." - Albert Einstein

Michael Sullivan: The effects of "the death" that came through Adam still remain post AD 70, but are no longer magnified by the old-covenant "the law," but from what I see, through the gospel which produces the awareness of the effects of Adam's death and now the Second Death - a denial of Christ as the Tree of Life. So the moment one believes on Christ post AD 70, they are completely justified- made righteous and set free from death and thus "never die" as they enter the gates of the City of the Living God or "world of righteousness."

We don't need an old-covenant Jerusalem or Satan to be "vindicated" from. To be "enslaved" or "persecuted" from an enemy (Jn. 8) has always been typological of ones enslavement to sin in ones heart. Therefore, one is not just made righteous when He walks through the Gates of the City, He has truly been "vindicated" and "set free" as well.

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