Preterism: Covenant Confusion

Preterists seem to confuse when the NEW begins and the OLD ends. Typical Full/Hyper Pretersts say the Old Covenant started to end in 30AD, but didn't REALLY end until 70AD. And The New Covenant started to start in 30AD, but didn't REALLY start until 70AD.

So when according to their view does the Covenants really end and start? The answer is AD70.

If they say that the NEW really started in 30AD then you have to say that the OLD really ended then too.

i.e. if the "starting to start" is good enough to be considered for the start of the new, why isn't the "starting to end" good enough for the end of the old?

If the START of the start is THE START, then why isn't the start of THE END the end? Confusing, we know.

"it is often claimed that the new covenant began in ad30.. at its inception. Yet they say that the Old Covenant ended in AD70, despite its inception in AD30. This claim that the New Covenant began in AD30 is suprising, given the fact that they claim that the New Covenant "Age to Come" didn't come until AD70. How can you have the New Covenant Before the New Covenant Age?

But when, exactly, does the New Covenant start? In this quote from a full preterist ministry, we are given the answer : AD70

New Earth Christian Studies - "The Christians of the time were in a unique position: They were living not just between covenants, but in the end times of the Old Covenant which coincided with the beginning of the New." (God's Promises Fulfilled)

But, wait a minute! Earlier in that quote this ministry tells us:

"If they were looking forward to something, waiting eagerly for it, then they did not yet possess it in its fullness. And yet, there was always a sense in which they already owned it. They had the down payment. It was not that the New Covenant had not yet begun: It had, but it was not in full effect, until the Old Covenant was utterly destroyed." (God's Promises Fulfilled)

Here we have it again.

A. Preston: The Church Was Not Established at Pentecost
Don Preston "A key point of controversy surrounding the Preterist view of eschatology is the contention that the church/kingdom was not fully established on Pentecost but was in a state of incompletion until the Old World was taken out of the way in A.D.70.

B. Preston: The Church Was Established at Pentecost
Don Preston "We are not here arguing that the kingdom was not established on Pentecost. We do aver it was established in infancy." (An Airtight Argument)

So, when did the New Covenant start? In this ONE PARAGRAPH it is BOTH ad30 and ad70!!

How does this present a consistant system if indeed they want to draw an imaginary historical line in the sand?

Hyper-Preterists want to say that the NEW started in 30AD. And co-existed with the OLD, which they claim didn't end until AD70. Yet they also want to say that the New Covenant “Age to Come” didn't start until AD70!

So, the only real thing Preterists can consistently say is that the NEW didn't REALLY start until 70AD. Just like that being when the OLD REALLY passed away. If the NEW, did not begin until 70AD, how is it that the Paul was in the new covenant before the new covenant age?

So which is it, AD30 or AD70 !? Can't be both! Or is there a THIRD AGE ("This Age to Come") !? You can't say that Christians had the age to come before the world at large because they were still expecting eternal life!

http://www.preteristarchive.com/Hyper/Watchdog/defining-hyper_full.html



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