A SPIRITUAL AND UNSEEN EVENT THAT IS WITHIN NOT WITHOUT OCCURRED IN THE FIRST CENTURY? blah-hahaha!!! IF THE KINGDOM A SPIRITUAL AND UNSEEN EVENT THAT OCCURS WITHIN CHRISTIANS, THEN HOW CAN IT BE SAID IT IS A PAST EVENT, OR OCCURRED IN THE FIRST CENTURY. THIS IS THE SAME ISSUE THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED BEFORE. SPIRITUAL THINGS CAN NOT BE PAST EVENTS. SPIRITUAL THINGS CAN NOT BE PLACED IN TEMPORAL BOXES. ALSO SEE THIS POST!
Jim Nicolosi "I would propose that his intended meaning was the same as that of Mathew 23:26. You cannot separate Luke 17:20 from Luke 17:21. In Luke 17:20, Jesus said, "The kingdom of God cometh not with observation." It was not going to be a physical event but rather a spiritual event. Remember, Jesus told the Samaritan woman at the well that a time was coming when believers would worship "in spirit and in truth." I believe this ties very nicely with what Jesus said in Luke 17:21. It is my personal understanding that the Parousia (PH: in 70ad) of Jesus re-established the full and open (spiritual) relationship with the Father that had been lost through Adam. (PH: How is this not Universalism if this occurred in 70AD for all men who are of Adam?Not only does this show the universalism of hyper-preterism but it also shows their flawed horizontal dualism.
The fact is, 70AD did nothing to bring restoration. That which is lost and restored can ONLY occur in Christ not in history. The bible continually is expressed in terms of vertically integrated dualism. Here are a few examples: (Romans 8:1) Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus (NOT 70AD). (Matthew 11:28) “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. (NOT 70AD). (Romans 3:23-24) for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus (NOT 70AD). (2 Corinthians 1:20) For as many as are the promises of God, in Him they are yes; therefore also through Him is our Amen to the glory of God through us. Simply put, In Christ YES; In 70AD NO!)
Jim Nicolosi "Thus, Luke 17 does not affirm that the kingdom was in the hearts of the recalcitrant Pharisees. It does affirm the nature of the kingdom, and it does prove that the full establishment of that kingdom would be in the first century. There are other reasons why Luke 17:21 should be translated "within you" rather than "in your midst" but these are sufficient for this case." (PH: I agree that the kingdom is within and does not come with observation. This clearly rules out AD70, because we weren't alive then for it to come within us then. Jim says it is within, invisible, but a past event in the first century.)
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